国泰万通金控 (CATY) 2026年第三季度业绩电话会议：净利息收入创新高并上调增长指引lg...

国泰万通金控（NASDAQ：CATY）公布2026年第三季度净利息收入创历史新高，净息差持续扩大，贷款和存款增长强劲。由于此前确定的三笔特定借款人风险敞口，信贷成本有所上升，但不良资产和分类贷款余额有所下降。

核心要点

• 净利润为9520万美元，即摊薄后每股收益1.43美元；净利息收入创下2.119亿美元的历史新高，环比增长5.5%。
• 净息差上升4个基点至3.52%。管理层表示，全年业绩可能接近其3.40%–3.50%指引范围的上限。
• 期末贷款增加5.73亿美元（增幅2.8%），达到212亿美元。存款增加7.73亿美元（增幅3.7%），达到218亿美元。
• 公司将其全年贷款增长预期上调至5%–6%，存款增长预期上调至4%–5%。
• 净核销增至2530万美元，年化率为49个基点，且集中于此前确定的三笔信贷。不良资产下降约18%。
• CATY以5030万美元回购了约80.1万股股票，本季度结束时核心一级资本充足率（CET1）为13.51%，总风险资本充足率为15%。

核心财务数据

业务与经营业绩

工商业（C&I）贷款是贷款增长的主要驱动力。管理层提到制造业、分销业、食品批发商和服务提供商的需求。公司表示，利率上升对商业地产（CRE）购买活动的影响可能大于基于刚性需求的工商业贷款。

平均贷款余额为205亿美元，年化增长率为5.9%。平均存款余额达到214亿美元，年化增长13.8%。受网点业务和律所客户关系的推动，无息存款在本季度增加了3.31亿美元，不过管理层警告称这一增长速度不可持续。

商业地产集中度为283%，继续低于监管门槛和公司内部限制。

CATY出售了约8900万美元收益率为1.83%的机构抵押贷款支持证券（Agency MBS），并将所得资金重新投资于收益率为5.65%的机构MBS。管理层预计该交易将使年净利息收入增加约290万美元。2026年总额约4.6亿美元的三笔证券调仓交易预计将使年净利息收入增加约1140万美元。

非利息收入为4280万美元。主要项目包括权益类证券3610万美元未实现收益以及赎回5410万美元信托优先证券带来的310万美元收益，但被1510万美元的证券调仓损失部分抵消。调整后非利息收入为1880万美元，略有下降，主要由于财富管理费收入减少。

非利息支出从9230万美元增至1.034亿美元。本季度包括对国泰银行基金会（Cathay Bank Foundation）承诺捐赠的800万美元，以及与更换供应商平台相关的约540万美元合同终止成本。调整后非利息支出为8290万美元，环比增长约1.2%。调整后效率比率改善至35.9%。

管理层业绩指引

• 全年贷款增长率：从3.5%–4.5%上调至5%–6%。
• 全年存款增长率：从3%–4%上调至4%–5%。
• 全年净息差：维持在3.40%–3.50%。管理层预计结果将接近该范围的上限。
• 调整后非利息支出增长率：维持在3.5%–4.5%。
• 全年有效税率：预计为21.5%–22.5%。
• 利率假设：2026年加息两次，每次25个基点，包括9月的加息和12月的另一次加息。

管理层表示，89亿美元的贷款计划在未来一年内重新定价，这为资产收益率提供了潜在支撑。然而，约34亿美元的大额定期存单（CD）将在第四季度到期，带来持续的资金成本压力。

风险与关注事项

信贷成本上升是由于此前确定的三笔贷款：通过收购远东国民银行（Far East National Bank）获得的拆借给两家电影院的商业地产信贷，以及一笔受水损、污染和结构问题影响的南加州多家庭住宅施工贷款。管理层表示，更广泛的资产组合总体保持稳定，整体信贷质量依然稳健。

付息存款成本上升5个基点至2.91%，而总存款成本上升4个基点至2.43%。管理层预计存款定价竞争仍将是一个不利因素。

利息回收对本季度净息差贡献了约370万至380万美元（约6个基点）。管理层指出，若扣除这一收益，核心净息差约为3.46%。

尽管储备项目健康，但第四季度的贷款增长仍存在不确定性。管理层指出，历史数据表明第四季度通常较为平缓，因此对贷款放款交割的时间点保持谨慎态度。

分析师问答环节要点

管理层表示，目前判断净息差已见顶还为时过早。贷款重新定价、现金余额和证券现金流可能会提供进一步支撑，尽管即将到期的定期存单（CD）和存款竞争可能会限制净息差的扩大。

关于存款增长，管理层称增长具有广泛基础，但也承认在9月底有一些较大的资金流入。公司继续优先发展低成本存款，但不预计第三季度无息存款余额3.31亿美元的增幅会以相同的速度持续下去。

工商业贷款（C&I）需求保持韧性，因为借贷主要是出于刚性需求。管理层表示，高利率似乎更有可能抑制商业地产（CRE）购买，而再融资活动仍在银行的信贷标准范围内继续进行。

在视市场情况、贷款增长和更广泛的前景而定的前提下，公司对进一步回购股票持开放态度。管理层表示，仍认为股票价格具有吸引力，且回收期在可接受范围内。

未来投资重点包括前线借贷与存款人员、面向客户的技术，以及旨在提高运营和借贷团队效率的AI工具。

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管理层陈述

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Cathay General Bancorp's Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Asha, and I will be your coordinator for today. [Operator Instructions] Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay at ww.cathaygeneralbancorp.com.

Now I would like to turn the call over to Georgia Lo, Investor Relations of Cathay General Bancorp. Please go ahead.

Georgia Lo

Thank you, Asha, and good afternoon. Here to discuss the financial results today are Mr. Chang Liu, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Al Wang, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin, we wish to remind you that speakers on this call may make forward statements within the meaning of the applicable provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 concerning future results and events, and that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These results and uncertainties are further described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2025, at Item 1A in particular, and in other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time. As such, we caution you not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made and except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or review any forward-looking statements to reflect future circumstances, developments or events or the occurrence of unanticipated events. This afternoon, Cathay General Bancorp issued an earnings release outlining its third quarter 2026 results. To obtain a copy of our earnings release as well as our earnings presentation, please visit our website at ww.cathaygeneralbancorp.com.

After comments by management today, we will open up this call for questions.

I will now turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Chang Liu.

Chang Liu

Thank you, Asha. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today. I will begin on Slide 4. We delivered another strong quarter of operating performance, highlighted by record net interest income, continued margin expansion, loan and deposit growth. Net income was $95.2 million or $1.43 per diluted share. Net interest income reached a record $211.9 million, increased $11 million or 5.5% from the prior quarter. Active balance sheet management, loan growth and asset repricing helped drive the 4 basis points of net interest margin expansion to 3.52%.

Pre-provision net revenue was $151.3 million, up to $21.3 million or 16.4% from the prior quarter. Excluding the notable items in both periods, adjusted preprovision net revenue was $140.6 million, up $11.7 million or 9.1%, reflecting stronger revenue growth relative to expenses. We generated strong loan and deposit growth during the quarter. Loans increased $575 million or 2.8% during the quarter while deposits increased $773 million or 3.7%, led by growth in noninterest-bearing demand and remarket balances.

Credit results this quarter include elevated charge-offs in 3 previously identified borrower specific credits. We have substantial reserves in place against these credits and took appropriate action during the quarter. As a result, nonperforming assets declined approximately 18%, criticized and classified balances also declined. Outside of these credits, the broader portfolio remains stable and overall credit quality remains sound. The quarter also included several notable items. We recognized a $36.1 million valuation gain on equity securities. We also recognized a $15.1 million loss related to another securities repositioning transaction. The repositioning improved the yield on the securities portfolio is expected to add approximately $2.9 million to annual net interest income. To support the communities we serve and enhance tax efficiency, we committed $8 million to the Cathay Bank Foundation. We also incurred filing $4 million of contract termination costs to improve our operating model.

Finally, during the quarter, we completed a planned redemption of $54.1 million of trust preferred securities. The redemption provided a $3.1 million benefit, simplified our funding structure and reduced interest expense going forward. Overall, we are pleased with the underlying trends in the business, including strong relationship growth, improving net interest income, continued investment in the franchise and a strong capital position.

I will now turn the call over to Mr. Al Wang to walk through the third quarter results in more detail. I'll provide some closing comments before we open up the call to Q&A.

Albert Wang

Thank you, Chang. I'll start with our balance sheet on Slide 5. Period-end loans net of fees were $21.2 billion, increasing approximately $573 million or 2.8% linked quarter, reflecting strong loan growth, particularly in C&I.

On the deposit side, period-end balances rose approximately $773 million or 3.7% to $21.8 billion, led by noninterest-bearing demand and money market deposits. That growth helped fund our lending and improved our net loan-to-deposit ratio to approximately 96%. Tangible book value per share grew $0.61 to $40.54 even after this quarter's share repurchases.

Slide 6 shows our average loan and deposit mix. Average loans were $20.5 billion, representing annualized growth of 5.9%. Average deposits reached $21.4 billion, representing annualized growth of 13.8%. Our CRE concentration ratio was 283%, remaining below both regulatory thresholds and our internal limits. .

Slide 7 summarizes our cash and available for securities portfolio. Cash and short-term investments increased this quarter, reflecting strong deposit growth and the timing of our balance sheet management activities. By contrast, the AFS securities portfolio declined modestly, reflecting a lower reinvestment rate and the impact of sharply higher market rates. During the quarter, we sold approximately $89 million of Agency MBS yielding 1.83% and reinvested in Agency MBS yielding 5.65%. The new securities have a similar average life and shorter duration. So we picked up yield without adding interest rate or credit risk. So far this year, we repositioned approximately $460 million of securities through this -- 3 transactions Together, these transactions are expected to add approximately $11.4 million to annual net interest income with an aggregate earned at period of approximately 3-point [ figures ].

Our securities portfolio remains highly liquid and defensively positioned. Effective duration is approximately 2.1 years and 61% of projected cash flows are expected to return through 2027. That limits our duration exposure and gives us substantial near-term capacity to reinvest in a higher rate environment.

Moving to Slide 8. Net income increased 3.2% linked quarter to $95.2 million, record net interest income and higher noninterest income supported the increase. Higher provision expense and noninterest expense offset part of that benefit.

On Slide 9, I'll walk through the yields and funding costs. Net interest income increased $11 million to a record $211.9 million, driven by loan growth, day count and continued margin expansion. Net interest margin increased 4 basis points to 3.52% as higher loan yields more than offset the increase in funding costs. Loan yields increased 5 basis points to 6.2%, reflecting higher rates as well as interest recoveries and prepayment penalties. That benefit was partially offset by higher funding costs. Total deposit cost rose 4 basis points to 2.43% and interest-bearing deposit costs rose 5 basis points to 2.91%. Overall, we continue to see positive momentum in net interest income supported by balance sheet growth and asset repricing.

Moving to Slide 10. Noninterest income increased to $42.8 million, driven mainly by the notable items, Chang mentioned earlier. These included $36.1 million unrealized gain on equity securities and a $3.1 million benefit from the trust preferred redemption. Those gains were partially offset by the $15.1 million repositioning loss, excluding these items, adjusted noninterest income was $18.8 million, down slightly from last quarter, mainly due to lower wealth management fees.

Moving to Slide 11. Noninterest expense increased to $103.4 million from $92.3 million last quarter. The increase was primarily driven by the 2 other notable items, Chang mentioned earlier. We committed $8 million to the Cathay Bank Foundation to support those communities we serve while also providing a tax benefit. We also incurred [ $5.4 million ] of contract termination costs as we made changes to improve our operating model. Outside of those items, compensation and benefits increased by $1.5 million partially offset by approximately $3.4 million of lower tax credit investment amortization. Excluding those notable items, adjusted noninterest expense was $82.9 million, up approximately 1.2% from the prior quarter. With only modest growth in underlying expenses, strong revenue growth further drove improvement to our efficiency ratios. Our reported efficiency ratio improved to 40.6% and while our adjusted efficiency ratio, excluding the notable items, improved to 35.9%.

Turning to Slide 12. The allowance for loan loss increased approximately $5 million to $224 million while the allowance ratio remained relatively stable at 1.06% of gross loans. The provision for credit loss was $28.6 million this quarter, primarily reflecting strong loan growth and updated loss assumptions, incorporating recent charge-off experience. Net charge-offs increased to $25.3 million or 49 basis points annualized. These charge-offs were concentrated in the 3 previously identified credits, it included 1 fully reserved construction loan and 2 movie theater CRE loans acquired through the Far East National Bank acquisition. It previously provisioned $9.1 million for those 2 movie theater loan in the third quarter of 2025.

Classified balances and nonperforming assets declined during the quarter, largely reflecting the charge-offs. Beyond those credits, broader portfolio trends remain generally stable and overall credit quality remains sound.

Turning to Slide 13. Capital ratios declined modestly, reflecting strong loan growth and share repurchases while the redemption of our trust preferred securities reduced total risk-based capital. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 801,000 shares for $50.3 million at an average price of approximately $62.81 per share. Even with those impacts, our capital position remains strong. We ended the quarter with a CET1 ratio of 13.51% and total risk-based capital ratio of 15%, both well above regulatory minimum requirements.

I'll wrap up on Slide 14 with our full year outlook. Based on our strong year-to-date loan growth, we are raising our full year outlook to 5% to 6% from 3.5% to 4.5% previously. We are also increasing our deposit growth outlook to 4% to 5%, compared with the prior expectation of 3% to 4%. We continue to expect adjusted noninterest expense growth of 3.5% to 4.5% for the year.

Our full year NIM outlook remains a 3.40 to 3.50%. Our rate outlook now assumes 225 basis points increases during 2026, including the September increase and another increase in December. Finally, we now expect our full year effective tax rate to be between 21.5% and 22.5%.

And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Jerry.

Chang Liu

Thank you, Al. We are pleased with our performance through the first 9 months including strong balance sheet growth, record net interest income and continued margin expansion. The momentum is reflected in the higher full year loan and deposit growth outlooks we announced today. During the quarter, we took several proactive steps to support our communities, improve our earnings profile and optimize our funding and capital structure while continuing to support organic growth. We believe these actions leave us well positioned as we move forward. Looking ahead, our priorities remain straightforward, disciplined relationship growth, sound credit quality and prudent capital management. With that, we can now open it up for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from David Chiaverini with Jefferies.

分析师问答

David Chiaverini

I wanted to start on the net interest margin, very nice trend here over the past several quarters. And looking at the guide range being unchanged, seems to be conservative, but can you talk about how we should think about the NIM into the fourth quarter? And then maybe layer into that, your rate sensitivity and how rate hikes could impact the forward look on NIM?

Chang Liu

Yes. So we -- I'm not ready to call it kind of a peak on NIM. I still think there's room for expansion. We do have in the guide a 25 basis point increase in December, which will kind of help us from the asset side. So we've got, I would say, on the asset side, over the next year, we've got $8.9 billion of loans repricing. Obviously, we have $1 billion-plus of cash and a large part of our investment portfolio, half of which are on treasury. So we'll get some tailwind from the asset side. On the deposit side, I would say that we do have some headwinds with -- we've got $3.4 billion of CDs rolling off this quarter at a rate of [ $3.4 ]6. So as you might know, we ran a summer CD promo for example, at $3.65 and $3.85 for 6 and 12 months, respectively. So just with those data points, there's going to be some more pressure. And you saw some pressure on deposit costs just this quarter. It went up about 5 basis points. So we expect the pressure to continue with competition, and that's not just for us but across the industry. But we feel pretty confident that we still have room to expand. If I look at, for example, the margin in the month of September, ex kind of prepayments and recoveries. I mean we were just for that month at 3.53%. So I think we'll probably be at the upper end of the range, but that's -- remember, that's a full year range. So I think we're pretty confident at least in the near term with where we'll be in terms of margin. .

David Chiaverini

Great. And my follow-up is on the deposit side, noninterest-bearing deposits up nicely year-over-year what's driving the strong growth? And how do the pipelines look? Could this momentum continue?

Chang Liu

I think the team did a really nice job this quarter. I mean we grew noninterest-bearing $331 million in 1 quarter. So that's kind of -- I would probably say that, that's not sustainable. So I wouldn't kind of bake that in into the forward guide. But it is an area of focus for us in the branch network and

I don't know, [indiscernible], if you want to...

Unknown Executive

Yes. So I'll add to that a little bit. I think some of the law firm practice that we have, that's adding good sort of much lower cost deposits to our sort of liability side. And I think our communication and sort of collaboration with the branches is a lot stronger now where they know the direction going forward is to really bring in lower cost of funds. The CD campaign, while it's at [ $365, $385 ], you can -- you know for a fact that's not at the top of the market. So while that's a tool for them to kind of defend the CD base, at the same time, they're also using that to bring in other type of deposits that's going to help to contribute that low cost end of the balance.

Operator

The next question comes from Gary Tenner with D.A. Davidson.

Gary Tenner

I wanted to ask about loan growth. The guide was increased at 5% to 6%, but that kind of full year guide seems to suggest fourth quarter growth to be anywhere from kind of flat to up 3%. So could you talk about that a little bit? Are you seeing any specific slowdown? Is it just where the pipelines are any impact of interest rates, et cetera, that maybe is having a lean conservative for the fourth quarter?

Albert Wang

So yes, Gary, the way we're thinking about it is, I think we saw the biggest growth in Q2 and Q3. Our Q1 was pretty flat. Q4 historically has been flat based on my experience, although we're seeing some pretty good pipeline so far C&I has been kind of the driver of that growth, and we see that in a sort of just a broad-based different type of industries, whether it's sort of the manufacturing distribution and the service providers. So we're continuing to kind of expect some of that to pull through but it's harder for us to say how much of that is really going to be a significant growth event for Q4. So I think we're comfortable with the revised guide that we issued today.

Gary Tenner

Okay. Appreciate that. And then just in terms of the [ LIHTC ] amortization in fourth quarter, what do you expect that number to be?

Albert Wang

Yes. So this quarter obviously came in a little bit below expectations and kind of what I was guiding to. It was mainly due to timing and kind of updates to prior estimates. Q3 had some true-ups that came in during the quarter. And we also got a small amount of solar investment distributions on investments where our basis was 0 or fully amortized. So those were recorded against amortization expense. So I'm expecting kind of more of the $9 million to $10 million per quarter. Obviously, as you know, that can vary quarter-to-quarter, and it depends on the financials that we get relative to project performance and tax credit recognition.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Andrew Terrell with Stephens.

Andrew Terrell

Could you talk a little bit more about just the contract termination that took place this quarter, just how that plays into operating expenses moving forward? And then just more broadly, any kind of areas you're looking to get efficiency out of? And how does that play into, just kind of you think about expense growth from here?

Albert Wang

Yes. So I would say that, that contract termination fee, we noted it as kind of a notable item because it is kind of more of a onetime type of charge. It really wasn't a expense savings play per se. It was really more a vendor agreement for one of our lines of business that we plan to upgrade because another vendor we're looking at, we think, has kind of a stronger platform and tech platform. So we're hoping that obviously it's going to generate revenue growth for us in the future. I hope for that any -- I don't know, Chang, if you want to weigh on to it?

Andrew Terrell

No, that's great. And if I could just follow up on the margin quickly as well. Do you have -- I might have missed it, do you have the dollar amount or the basis point impact of the interest recovery in loan yields this quarter?

Chang Liu

Yes. Yes. Most of it was recoveries and not prepayment penalties, but it was about $3.7 million, $3.8 million of recoveries. It was about 6 basis points for the quarter. So core NIM would have been around [ $3.46 ].

Operator

The next question comes from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler.

Matthew Clark

On the net charge-offs this quarter, can you just isolate how much of those -- how much of the net charge-offs were tied to those 3 credits that were previously reserved against? I guess I'm just trying -- I'm getting -- trying to -- yes, go ahead. .

Albert Wang

Yes, yes. Sorry. So the 2 theater loans that from the Far East Bank acquisition, those 2 totaled about [ 18 ]. And we have 1 particular construction loan that have problems with water damage and more contamination and leading to structural issues. So that's also something that's kind of unforeseen for us. It was a multifamily product. It was here in [ SoCal ] and that's about almost $9 million exposure.

Matthew Clark

Okay. Got it. And then just on -- maybe I can do a combo here. Do you have the spot rate on deposits at the end of September? And then your appetite to continue to buy back stock here with a nice step-up here in 3Q?

Chang Liu

Yes. So the September kind of interest rate deposit cost for interest-bearing was like $2.92. All in, it was $2.43, obviously, helping with the growth in noninterest-bearing. And we're -- in terms of buybacks, we -- obviously, the same caveats always apply relative to kind of the market loan growth and kind of the outlook. But we're pretty comfortable with kind of how we the buybacks from this past quarter, we think the stock is still attractively priced, and the earn back is very acceptable to us. So that's kind of where we are with the buybacks. Hopefully, that helps answer your question. .

Operator

The next question comes from Kelly Motta with KBW.

Kelly Motta

I'd like to kick it back to loan growth. Commercial in particular, has been incredibly strong all year and especially in Q3. Just wondering if you could provide additional color as to the drivers of that? And if you're seeing -- it sounds like there's still a decent outlook here, but if higher weights rates are impacting borrower behavior at this point?

Chang Liu

Sure, Kelly. So we're still seeing just the stronger loan growth on the C&I side. The industries that we serve in the manufacturing side, the distribution side, some of them there are sort of the wholesalers in the food business. Their business is doing well. In terms of sort of the rate hire for longer, I talked to my C&I folks and the lender side, that's really a need base and a value proposition. If they need the loan and they need the lines, you're going to continue to use it regardless of the rate environment. I think the higher rate environment may hit the CRE demand a little bit more. And even on the CRE side, that's going to hit maybe the purchases side a little bit more on the refi we -- in the last few months of the quarter, we saw a little bit of activity in sort of cash out refi and still within our credit parameters. But when there's a cash out refi were maturity refi, then they still have to do those. And then on the -- so for the C&I side, I think it's really just on a net basis and what kind of value we can provide to the new prospects and the new clients that come into our bank as well.

Kelly Motta

Got it. That's helpful. And then somebody touched on this earlier. But just to close the loop on the noninterest-bearing deposit growth. Clearly, you're working very hard at that, and the results are showing through. If I look at a spot basis, they were up much more meaningfully than where the average balances are. I'm just wondering as I'm thinking about just near-term modeling, if there was any kind of larger, chunkier flows in Q3 that I should be cognizant of when thinking through what you jumping off for average balances?

Chang Liu

Yes, I think it was pretty -- I think generally, it was broad-based across the board. But I think at the end of the quarter, there were some larger deposit inflows at the end in September, but I'd have to go back and look at kind of the month over month. .

Kelly Motta

Got it. That's helpful. Maybe last question for me is just on the expenses. You've done a really nice job with holding and growing margin and while growing the balance sheet. I know it's a little early to start thinking about next year. But as you think ahead, what are the strategic priorities in terms of investments and your ability to continue to drive what's been really nice positive operating leverage now for the past couple of years?

Chang Liu

So maybe I'll start and Al can certainly chime in. I think strategically, we've got to think about where we need to invest, right? I think we need to invest in our people, on some of the front line, whether it's the lending side or the deposit side, that's where you can kind of see the investment sort of a return on that investment. Additionally, sort of the technology front and anything -- any tech that's kind of client-facing including anything that's operationally with AI and efficiencies we can gain out of AI. Some of the things we're using here with, for example, some of the AI-based platform that's available to us, we're already seeing increases in what -- how the lending teams are either running their product or their book and their loan reviews and those kind of things. So we're seeing some efficiencies there. So that's where really our focus should be. And long term, some of the expenses, we're not ready -- we're not prepared to give you the guide for '27, but still going to be sort of the salaries and the tech investment side that you're going to see the bulk of it. .

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Andrew Liesch with [ StoneX ].

Unknown Analyst

most of my questions have been answered, but just wanted to circle back to the fee income side, noninterest income. The decline in wealth management revenue, just curious what might have been driving that?

Chang Liu

Yes. That was just -- it was transaction-based volume. There was nothing kind of significant or unusual. I'd say we had a -- you can see over the trend over the last several quarters, particularly since our new leader came in for that business, things have been -- revenues have been very strong. So we're expecting kind of a tick up, maybe not back to the Q2 level, but we think that there'll be a tick up next quarter.

Operator

Thank you for your participation. I will now turn the call back over to Cathay General Bancorp's management for closing remarks. Please go ahead. .

Chang Liu

I want to thank everyone for joining us and for your interest in Cathay Bank. We look forward to speaking with you at our next quarterly earnings release call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Good day.

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