Insperity (NSP) 2026年第三季度业绩电话会议：利润率回升提振EBITDAlg...

核心要点

• 利润率修复加速：2026财年第三季度毛利润同比增长6%至2.07亿美元，每位现场员工的月均毛利润增长8%至225美元。
• 盈利能力大幅改善：调整后EBITDA达到3100万美元，同比大增210%。调整后每股收益为0.22美元，上年同期为调整后每股亏损0.20美元。
• 现场员工数量持续承压：受定价策略和客户筛选举措对销售及留存的影响，平均付费现场员工人数同比下降1.8%至307,265人。
• 成本控制支撑业绩：主要由于公司人员和薪酬成本下降，运营费用同比下降5%至2.09亿美元。
• 全年业绩预期收窄：管理层预计2026财年调整后EBITDA为1.94亿至2.14亿美元，调整后每股收益为1.93至2.28美元。
• 重建增长重回正轨：第三季度销售活动和潜在客户引流有所改善，同时HR Scale有数千名员工正在上线实施中。管理层表示，2027财年的重点是在重拾增长与维持可持续盈利之间取得平衡。

关键财务数据

业务与运营表现

Insperity将每位现场员工毛利润的改善主要归因于定价策略、客户留存和客户筛选举措的累积效应。更优的客户结构，结合2026年初实施的福利计划调整及联合健康（UnitedHealth）新合同条款，也有助于控制福利成本。

工伤赔偿成本部分抵消了毛利润的改善。当期成本保持相对稳定，但与2025财年第三季度相比，以往保单年度准备金的有利调整有所减少。管理层将这一压力归因于理赔严重程度上升以及医疗成本上涨。

利润率修复计划继续对新销售和客户留存构成压力。然而，市场营销引流有所改善，且第三季度内商业概况（即服务竞标机会）数量逐月增加。这一成果是在业务绩效顾问人数减少的情况下取得的，表明每位顾问的活跃度有所提高。

Insperity表示，其针对中型市场推出的HR 360和HR Scale产品储备依然充沛。数千名员工正在上线实施HR Scale。部分客户选择HR 360以实现更快入职，同时计划日后迁移至HR Scale。

公司正在通过与Workday合作以及开发自研系统来提升人工智能（AI）能力。其HR 360 AI智能体旨在提供针对具体企业的HR指导，而规划中的对话式智能功能将允许客户使用日常语言索取劳动力报告和洞察。管理层表示，人力资源专业人员在解读这些洞察并支持客户决策方面仍将发挥核心作用。

管理层业绩指引

管理层预计第四季度付费现场员工人数将环比持平，新客户增加将被客户流失基本抵消。净招聘趋势向好的正面影响，预计也将被一家大型客户的季节性员工于12月离职所抵消。

受益于定价策略及有利的客户结构，公司预计第四季度毛利润将进一步实现同比增长。受薪酬相关成本下降影响，预计运营费用将同比下降。HR Scale的相关费用预计将大体符合预算。

Insperity预计2026财年计算调整后每股收益的有效税率约为36%，加权平均流通股股数约为3860万股。

风险与关注领域

• 定价策略和客户筛选举措持续对新销售和客户留存构成压力。
• 管理层表示，由于价格敏感性、市场不确定性以及大选带来的不确定性，秋季销售及续约活动的结果区间仍然较大。
• 全市场的医疗成本趋势居高不下。随着基数对比趋于正常，2026年福利计划及合同变更带来的结构性收益预计在2027年将趋于中性。
• 受理赔严重程度上升、医疗通胀以及历史理赔周期较长的影响，工伤赔偿准备金调整面临压力。
• 年底的客户流失可能会对2027年1月付费现场员工人数的初始水平产生重大影响。
• 未来的费用再投资将取决于销售活动转化为新增长的速度。

分析师问答环节点评

AI开发与Workday合作：管理层表示，Insperity打算利用Workday不断扩展的AI能力，同时继续基于其历史客户数据、HR专业知识和内部工作流程开发自研工具。公司将AI视为一种生产力工具，同时也是深化其在中小企业中战略角色的一种手段。

医疗与工伤赔偿成本：管理层预计，2026年福利计划和联合健康（UnitedHealth）合同变更带来的有利结构性影响将在明年趋于中性。然而，随着公司实现全年效应，客户留存和定价举措带来的客户结构红利可能会持续。Insperity还实施了工伤赔偿价格上涨，并计划在市场条件发生变化时进行进一步调整。

HR Scale增长潜力：管理层预计HR Scale将成为中型市场战略的重要组成部分。在提供HR Scale的同时提供HR 360，可使客户更快入职，并可能在日后迁移至更大的平台。

运营费用前景：前期的人员精简重置了成本基数，并支撑了第三季度的费用下降。管理层指出，如果恢复增长，可能会进行一些再投资，但表示在2027财年运营计划和年底客户过渡更加明确之前，公司将保持灵活性。

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管理层陈述

Operator

Good morning, my name is Ali, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Insperity Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. And please note, this conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to introduce today's speakers. Joining us are Paul Sarvadi, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer; and Jim Allison, Executive Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.

At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Jim Allison. Mr. Allison, please go ahead.

James Allison

Thank you. We appreciate you joining us today. Let me begin by outlining our plan for this morning's call. First, I'm going to discuss the details behind our third quarter 2026 financial results. Paul will then comment on the progress of our margin recovery plan the fall selling and client renewal season and our AI strategy and initiatives. I will return to provide financial guidance for the fourth quarter and full year 2026. We will then end the call with a question-and-answer session.

Before we begin, I would like to remind you that Paul or I may make forward-looking statements during today's call, which are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions. In addition, some of our discussion may include non-GAAP financial measures. For a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from any such forward-looking statements, and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to their comparable GAAP measures, please see the company's public filings, including the Form 8-K filed today, which are available on our website. Our third quarter results mark a key milestone in our margin recovery plan. Gross profit per worksite employee increased 8% over Q3 2025. And reversing the year-over-year declines we reported throughout 2025 and into the first half of this year, driven by the cumulative impact of our pricing and client retention strategy.

That improvement, together with continued operating expense discipline, produced Q3 adjusted EPS and adjusted EBITDA above the midpoint of our forecasted ranges and significantly improved from Q3 2025. Third quarter adjusted EPS was $0.22, a $0.42 per share improvement over the adjusted loss per share of $0.20 in Q3 2025. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $31 million, an increase of 210% from Q3 2025. The average number of paid worksite employees was 307,265 in Q3. a modest year-over-year decline of 1.8% against the backdrop of the margin recovery plan. All 3 of these key metrics were above the midpoint of our forecasted ranges. With regards to unit growth, the margin recovery plan continued to be a headwind for new client sales and client retention compared to Q3 2025. And while we saw some improvement in net hiring within the client base compared to last year.

Paul will provide more color around sales and retention results in a few minutes. At the same time, the financial impact of the margin recovery plan has significantly outpaced the worksite employee headwind. Total gross profit in Q3 2026 increased by 6% to $207 million in line with our forecast and expected seasonal pattern. Gross profit for worksite employee increased by 8% to $225 per month, a significant improvement over the 1% decline reported in Q2, validating the effectiveness of our margin recovery plan. This flipped to a year-over-year increase in the gross profit metrics was primarily driven by the cumulative impact of our pricing and client retention strategy. The year-over-year increase in our pricing continued to accelerate as it has done throughout the year. Our strategy has also produced a favorable client mix change that has helped to bolster our efforts to positively impact benefits costs beyond our planned design changes and new UnitedHealth contract terms that took effect at the beginning of the year. For Q3, benefits cost per covered employee increased by 3.7% over Q3 2025, consistent with our expectations. Within our gross profit results, the significant progress of the margin recovery plan was somewhat offset by a year-over-year increase in reported workers' compensation costs.

While we have seen relative stability in our current period workers' compensation costs, favorable adjustments and actuarial reserves related to prior policy years. declined in Q3 2026 versus Q3 2025. This impact was similar to what we experienced in Q2 and continues to reflect a market-wide increase in claim severity with elevated health care cost trends being a significant contributor. We have taken and will continue to take appropriate pricing actions consistent with these market conditions, which we expect to persist beyond the near term. Operating expense management is another key component of our margin recovery plan. In Total operating expenses decreased by 5% to $209 million versus Q3 2025, primarily due to lower corporate staffing levels and related compensation costs.

Operating expenses associated with HR scale in Q3 were generally in line with budgeted levels. During the quarter, we continued to return capital to our shareholders through our regular dividend program and share repurchases. We paid $23 million in dividends and repurchased 131,000 shares of stock at a total cost of $6 million. We ended the quarter with $119 million of adjusted cash compared to $95 million at the end of Q2. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Paul.

Paul Sarvadi

Thank you, Jim, and thanks to everyone for joining our call. We're pleased with our solid third quarter financial results, reflecting continued progress on our top priority of 2026 margin recovery and achieving a meaningful step forward in restoring the earnings power of our business model. We're also making early progress increasing sales and client retention activities as we launched our fall campaign. Stronger sales activity has begun to fill the pipeline to improve sales. However, recent sales results continue to reflect our margin recovery priority.

Today, I'll discuss our operating progress and then turn to which we believe has the potential to strengthen demand for Insperity's comprehensive HR solutions as small and midsized businesses navigate this workplace transformation. Our strategy seeks to combine the power of AI with the experience of our HR professionals to help our clients' businesses succeed, further strengthen our offering and deepen client relationships which we believe will drive long-term growth and shareholder value.

Coming into 2026, we established a clear sequence, we cover margin, rebuild growth momentum and position the business for a better balance of growth and profitability in 2027. Our third quarter performance represents another important step in that direction. As we discussed on previous calls, our margin recovery efforts have included pricing strategy, benefit plan changes, broader benefit options and improvements in our operational processes. These actions have successfully addressed the health care cost pressure we experienced in 2025 and are expected to support a stronger economic foundation for our business going forward. That progress has involved trade-offs, pricing and client selection decisions that support margin recovery can also affect new sales and client retention.

Those effects remain evident in our results, which included a 2% year-over-year decline in the average number of worksite employees paid per month in Q3. Our fall sales and retention campaign is our opportunity to begin to rebuild growth momentum and activity levels are increasing. Marketing lead flow has improved and we have a solid pipeline of mid-market HR 360 and HR scale prospects. HR scale remains on track to meet our previously stated targets with several thousand employees currently in implementation. Offering both options, HR 360 and HR scale to mid-market customers continues to benefit prospects and clients and supports our long-term plan for this segment.

Some new mid-market and enterprise accounts have chosen HR 360 for a faster path to onboarding, addressing HR service or benefits needs as a priority. However, they also plan to upgrade the HR scale when implementation can be scheduled at a later date, demonstrating a long-term view of the relationship. One of our most important leading indicators of future sales is the number of business profiles or opportunities to bid our services we achieve each month. We are encouraged by progress in Q3 as this activity metric trended upward each month in the third quarter to a solid total for the full quarter. Achieving this volume with fewer business performance advisers indicates improvement in activity per BPA.

Renewals are also on schedule and supporting messaging has been updated and communicated postal organization to reinforce client renewal decisions. This included providing context around the health care trend levels and actions we have taken to moderate those effects on behalf of our clients and continue to provide comprehensive benefit plan options. We also have new AI communication and demo video that we believe is important to emphasize the expected step-up in value of our HR solutions as SMB clients face the AI challenges ahead. However, it's still very early in the campaign and the range of possible outcomes remains wide.

Ongoing margin recovery efforts, continued price sensitivity and market uncertainty including uncertainties surrounding the election remain challenged. It's too soon to draw conclusions about the campaign's ultimate sales and retention results, which factors into our starting point for paid worksite employees in January. Our objective is not simply to add volume, it's to build durable growth on sound economics while delivering the breadth to depth and level of care clients expect from Insperity. The opportunity ahead is to preserve our margin progress while translating stronger activity and to improve sales and retention as we work to balance growth and profitability in 2027. Now beyond our near-term operating priorities, AI is changing the way we think about the future of HR and the opportunity for Insperity.

We believe AI is a technology-based innovation driving an extraordinary workplace transformation, rapidly increasing the need for sophistication in the HR function in the SMB marketplace. We believe this reinforces the value of our comprehensive deeply integrated service relationship. AI is changing how work gets done for individuals, teams and company-wide, both internally with employees and externally with customers. Business owners and managers must rethink job responsibilities, required skills, hiring needs and how teams are organized, all of which are challenges that land in the HR department. That creates a broad set of HR responsibilities, updating job descriptions, compensation and incentives, identifying skill gaps supporting employee development, equipping managers and aligning policies and practices.

AI could also change hiring patterns, workforce composition and employment growth. We anticipate this elevated volume of HR activity, including hiring and firing will also create additional employment-related complexity, risk and stress for employers. For an SMB with limited internal resources, the amount and speed of change can be difficult to manage a loan. We believe the heightened need for HR expertise to help business owners navigate the complexity and manage the liability will increase demand for HR solutions and guidance provided by Insperity. Our offering is not simply a collection of administrative task or access to software.

It's an integrated combination of technology, HR expertise, personalized service and an understanding of the clients' business and people. We believe AI can make historical and real-time information more accessible to clients and service providers. Our experience is help put that information in context and provide insights and then with the benefit of their judgment, support our clients' efforts to take action. In that sense, AI is highlighting our highest value attributes trust, judgment, care and the ability to stand shoulder to shoulder with a business owner as they navigate important workforce decisions. Our ambition extends beyond using AI within Insperity, we believe we have an opportunity to help lead the small and midsized business community through the workforce transformation that the AI era will ultimately require.

We believe that creates the possibility of a deeper strategic role with clients as they navigate change. Earnings that role will require continued innovation and highlight the personal service and care that have long defined our company. We are pursuing this AI opportunity in 3 connected areas how we develop technology and services, how we work internally and how our clients experience our solutions through AI tools we deploy. First, we're using AI to develop technology and services more productively, deliver meaningful enhancements faster and improve quality. Beyond making existing services more efficient, we are rethinking how technology and human expertise combined to meet client needs. Second, we're equipping our people with better access to knowledge and tools to improve productivity and service delivery.

Our proprietary AI platform provides a foundation for connecting HR and payroll expertise and business workflow processes with AI capabilities across the organization. By reducing time spent finding information and completing routine work, we aim to free our professionals to focus on where their expertise matters most to clients. Third, we're enhancing how our client experience our solutions. Our recently announced Insperity HR 360 AI agent represents an important step forward, making it easier for early adopter clients to find answers, navigate HR responsibilities and access guidance informed by company-specific policies with reduced need for escalation.

We also announced capabilities under development for the HR 360 AI agent, including conversational intelligence, which is designed to allow business owners to ask questions in everyday language rather than having to know where to look and how to assemble relevant information and receive real-time actionable insights. The planned functionality will allow users to enter simple command such as show me the head count by location or how have our employee engagement metrics trended over time and receive reports, scrape visualizations and contextual insights helping leaders access information more quickly and make better informed workforce decisions.

Our distinctive approach combines our internal AI development capabilities, extensive historical client and employee information, client-specific policies and our HR analytics engine. Our HR professionals remain essential in helping clients interpret those insights and acting on them. Let me be clear, our message is not simply that we've introduced another technology feature. We have launched a company-wide effort to help current clients and prospects understand the fundamental step up in value of our distinctive approach will provide for their businesses. Easier access to company-specific insights, combined with experienced HR guidance can help them make better decisions and move more quickly from information to action. We believe that combination magnifies our long-term competitive advantage and can improve the likelihood degree and speed of success of our clients in the SMB marketplace.

In closing, our priorities remain clear. sustained margin discipline, rebuild durable growth and use AI to strengthen the value we deliver through HR 360, HR core and HR scale. We believe progress on those priorities can support a better balance of growth and profitability in 2027 and long-term value creation for our shareholders. At this point, I'd like to pass the call back to Jim.

James Allison

Thanks, Paul. Our updated outlook for 2026 reflects our Q3 results, the continued progress of our margin recovery plan and several modest refinements to our fourth quarter assumptions. With 3 quarters of results behind us, we have narrowed our full year range while maintaining the adjusted EBITDA midpoint essentially unchanged. With regards to paid worksite employees, we expect sequential growth for the fourth quarter to be relatively flat. As paid worksite employees from new client sales and client attrition are expected to largely offset each other.

Net client hiring is expected to have a fairly small impact in Q4 as recent positive net hiring trends are expected to be offset by the reversion of seasonal employees in December at 1 of our larger clients. As a result, we are now forecasting paid worksite employees in a range of $306,000 and to $308,000 for Q4 2026, which represents a decrease of 1.4% to 2.0% from Q4 2025. For the full year, we are forecasting a range of 305,500 to $306,000, a decrease of 1.3% to 1.5% from 2025. Moving to margin recovery. Our pricing and client rich engine strategy is expected to produce some additional Q4 improvement at the gross profit level as compared to Q4 2025. As I mentioned earlier, our pricing has continued to accelerate on a year-over-year basis as we have executed the plan throughout 2026.

In addition, we continue to see that the profitability of terminating clients has been significantly lower than the profitability of those we are retaining, producing a favorable change in client mix that we expect to positively influence benefit costs in comparison to Q4 of 2025. With regards to operating expenses, we continue to expect year-over-year reductions in Q4, driven primarily by a continuation of lower compensation-related costs. HR scale operating expenses are expected to be generally in line with budget. As a result, we are forecasting adjusted EBITDA in a range of $24 million to $44 million, for Q4 2026 compared to negative $13 million in Q4 2024.

For full year 2026, we are forecasting $194 million to $214 million, an increase of 48% to 63% over 2025. We expect our full year effective tax rate for adjusted EPS purposes to be approximately 36%. The effective tax rate for GAAP purposes could fluctuate from that based on the level of nondeductible expenses as a proportion of pretax income. We expect our weighted average outstanding shares to be approximately $38.6 million for the full year. As a result, adjusted EPS is forecasted in a range of $0.07 to $0.42 per share for Q4. And compared to an adjusted loss per share of $0.60 in Q4 of 2025. For the full year, we are forecasting adjusted EPS of $1.93 and to $2.28 per share, an increase of 87% to 121% over 2025.

At this time, I'd like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question is coming from Mark Marcon with Baird.

分析师问答

Mark Marcon

Well, first of all, congrats on the strong progress with regards to the increase in terms of the gross profit for expense employee and the profit recovery plan being successfully executed. It's really great to see I was wondering, can you talk a little bit more Paul about what you were going through on the AI front. To what extent are you incorporating your own tools versus taking advantage of all of the partnership with Workday. How is it Workday Rising? They obviously have a whole slew of different agents And so I'm familiar with those. But I'm just wondering if you would discuss to what extent are you leveraging those rather than just developing your own.

Paul Sarvadi

Yes. Thank you for that question, Mark. And we are super excited about how Workday has gone all in and become such an AI-driven company. And that has a lot of great possibilities for us as our partnership continues to develop. But at the same time, we have extensive AI capability that we have developed and been able to leverage so many of the investments we've made around our own data and extensive client historical information our extensive history of solving HR problems with our experts and what -- how all that comes together affects all three of our solutions because the service side is so critical for the customers in our space, small and midsized businesses. Like I've said in my comments, this is way more than just a technology innovation. This is a workplace transformation that's going on and it's going to be extensive in the small and midsized business community.

And our AI capabilities, along with the data and information that we have and the experts already on standby and capable of responding much quicker and much more consistently and able to be at the right hand of our clients to help them with this transformation, we believe this is going to be dramatic for the company. So we're excited about our expertise in this area and how that has improved our own internal capability to respond to this transformation, but also how we're able to deliver targeted solutions to our clients that will help them deal with this transformation as well. So it's great to have both the Workday long-term picture and opportunity there, but we're also excited about our own ability to deliver on this.

Mark Marcon

That's great. And then can you talk a little bit about it sounded like you had really nice progress with regards to the health care benefit cost trend and it came in right in line with your expectations for this quarter and you got the new UnitedHealthcare plan in place I know you're not giving guidance for next year, but how do you think health care cost trends are going to change as we look out towards next year because most investors are looking to next year and beyond in terms of the investment opportunity. And so I'm wondering how you're thinking about that. And then also, if you could just also comment on the workers' comp, that would be great.

Paul Sarvadi

Yes. I appreciate that, Mark. This year, we have some structural changes from plan design changes and the contract change that when we go flip over into next year, there's a little bit more of an apples-and-apples comparison there, right? So it's a tailwind this year, it's more neutral next year. So the -- our benefits cost trends are significantly under what I would -- this year, what I would call kind of the market rate. Partly, it's that structural change, partly it's the pricing and client renewal strategy that we've taken on. When I think about the client renewal strategy, we are seeing growing impact of that as we go through 2026.

There's not a full year impact in 2026, so there should be some continuing improvement in related to kind of getting a full year of that. At the same time, we recognize that cost trends in the marketplace as a whole for health insurance remain high. And so we have to be vigilant with how we're managing pricing as we go through not only year-end transition, but also into next year. I would say that, that concept is very similar to what we're seeing on the workers' compensation side. Obviously, there's multiple components to workers' compensation cost, health care is only one of them. But certainly, we're starting to see that the accumulation of open periods because you have a pretty long tail on workers' compensation claims we're seeing the actuary start to make some adjustments in the way they think about what it's going to take to close those old plans out.

We haven't seen a lot of change around current year, it's been relatively stable there. But we know this is a market that is heartening to some extent. And so in those market conditions, again, you don't want to get behind. So we are thinking about and have done some price increases on that front. And we'll continue to monitor that and evolve that as if market conditions change. But right now, we're seeing, again, the relative stability of what's going on in the health care space allows us to make some assumptions, put in pricing plans and play out.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Jeff Martin with Roth Capital.

Jeff Martin

I wanted to dive into the advancement of the sales process and doing go-to-market with Workday. Specifically with respect to HR scale. It sounds like the middle market is on the uptake for 260, which is great because of the future scale clients. But if you could just update us on the progress of the joint go-to-market.

Paul Sarvadi

Yes, absolutely. We continue to be building that pipeline that, as I mentioned in my script. And so we've made good progress bringing clients on. We have several thousand in the queue for coming on as we move over into the new year. And so we're really on track in that. But the other comment I put in my script, I wanted to make sure people understood is that having these two solutions for this mid-market segment is really starting to pay dividends because rather than choosing to be with us or not being able to choose which solution is right for them to start with and which having people quite a few choosing to move on to 360 because of the speed of implementation and the ability to quickly address the service needs, maybe even benefit needs, et cetera. That's a great track. But what I love about it is they're also seeing HR scale as their long-term solution. And so they're starting the relationship with a commitment to the long term in both the products.

Jeff Martin

And then two quick questions for my second. With respect to HR scale and the impact in 2027, do you expect that to be a material growth driver for EBITDA and adjusted EPS. And then second part is, are you doing anything materially different with our fall sales campaign this year versus prior years?

Paul Sarvadi

So we certainly expect that to be a significant component. As our mid-market effort has been over the last 1.5 years, but now that with HR scale, we believe that, that adds some real benefit there. But equally important, we are really focused on bringing up the sales effort on the smaller accounts. That's where we're hit pretty heavily through this down period of causing the margin recovery. And we are really on the right track getting the number of opportunities to bid our services up and we have come through great progress on how we're working with clients through this period.

I know in Jim's comment almost added this comment on his last question because we've made great strides at being able to help our clients deal with this rising health insurance cost environment, offering various options, ways for them to move the cost down and to manage the cost with different plans that they get on we're able to communicate to them what's happening in the broader market. So we're just getting better and better at that. And so we think that's a big part of the next year also is seeing us get back to the right level of sales of BPA per month and have the activity levels right. And that's what we're starting to see in this fall selling campaign.

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question is coming from Brendan Biles with JPMorgan.

Brendan Biles

Hey, gentlemen. Thanks a lot for having me on the call and reiterate the comments on the congratulatory -- congratulations on the gross profit progress here, 6% to 8% on gross profit and gross profit per working was awesome. So concession that.

Yes, yes, absolutely. I want to double click on some of these stronger sales pipeline stuff that you guys said. I think it's really awesome about the stronger sales type refilling activity levels increasing sales leads. You talked about it a little already as it related to Workday. I wonder on the clients that you mentioned that have indicated their interest in long-term partnerships, signing up for R360 and kind of indicating that they would transition to HR scale. When implementation time line is right. If you could just share like a little bit more color as to where your head is at as it relates to that time line? And in that sales motion? Is there anything to call out as it relates to like AI needs that clients are bringing up now or in the future between HR 360 and HR scale? And I got a quick follow-up on OpEx after that.

Paul Sarvadi

Yes, that's a good question. And what we're seeing and hearing is certainly that, as I mentioned in my script that AI is causing -- it's really causing a lot of activity to land in the HR department. It's not just a technology innovation. It's literally a workplace transformation. And so keep in mind, the small and medium-sized business community, having a sophisticated HR function is a combination of technology and an incredible amount of services. Just think of everything an HR department does for a large company, we do for thousands and thousands of small businesses and hundreds of thousands of people. So it's the surface need is very high, and it's -- we believe it's escalating and being stepping up to a degree. And it's perfect timing because our capability has also been boosted dramatically through our own internal tools, our internal capabilities.

And we're ramping up on how AI can affect our service delivery. So I think that's really important to note that. And it's -- we really think that our customer base, putting them in the right solution for whatever their highest level of needs are at the time is the right way to go. And that's our game plan.

Brendan Biles

That's awesome. Yes, that's perfect. My follow-up is on OpEx as it relates to compensation, down 5% also and the profitability up, obviously, huge year-over-year. How should we think about compensation. Moving forward, as the sales pipeline fills up and then some of these deals maybe move into implementation and just thinking about growth on a steadier basis as we get to reuse margin recovery initiatives, which have proven pretty successful. How should we think about that maybe flowing into compensation and OpEx?

James Allison

So the we obviously adjusted our head count levels earlier this year in conjunction with kind of rightsizing to the size of the business that we had and our relative priorities. So you do have a little bit of a reset that happened there. We're seeing the benefit of that as we look year-over-year going through this year we're always going to keep in mind kind of where we are and the trajectory of the business from a growth perspective.

But we also see the opportunity as we get back on track with profit recovery, with activity and sales, recognizing that the adjustments that we made allow for some reinvestment as we see growth reemerge from here. So we're in this period, especially around year-end. Where the specifics of exactly what we're planning on for next year, but we're trying to be a thing we agile on that front.

Paul Sarvadi

Yes, I would just add to that and I kind of mentioned in the call was that -- there's still a wide range of possibilities related to year-end transition, simply because we're still focused on the margin recovery effort, but we are getting the activity level right, and we are making good progress there. But there's a lot of churn at year-end, and so that's just part of when the model works. But as far as looking ahead, we are positioned to regain growth momentum. We're starting by regaining the sales activity levels that make that happen. And so as we look across next year, we see growth coming back, but it's growth on top of whatever the starting point turns out to be.

In that part, there's a wide range of possibilities that you can't pin down yet. So for the long term, we really feel great about what we're doing just like we were focused on margin recovery, we've executed that plan. We know what to do to regain growth momentum and that plan is underway. But those two things work together and we are set up to really balance that growth and profitability for 2027.

Operator

Thank you. As we have no further questions on the line at this time, I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Sarvadi for any closing remarks.

Paul Sarvadi

Well, once again, we just want to thank everyone for your interest in participating today, and we are truly excited about where we stand today, our setup to finish this year effectively and how we're ready to launch into 2027 balancing growth and profitability. So thank you again, and we will see you next time.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.

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